Why is there a Clash between the Tutors and the AFC

mac wrote:Has the individual whose photo is shown here twice been asked if it's OK to show her this way?

 She looks upset - presumably at what happened - but may also now be upset to see herself in this thread.

MoMer wrote:

notabigjump wrote:Just bringing things back to the tutor dispute, there was an incident which upset a lot of people – the tutors in dispute included.

On a particular course, a popular student and award holder, was singled out in the dining room by the current president, because she wasn’t wearing shoes. This student had previously been given permission to go barefoot, but the president objected.

In a busy dining room, the student was very publicly humiliated and was deeply upset by the incident, because of the rude manner in which she was spoken to in public. Other students and tutors present were also upset as the president was so offensive to her.

The tutors working at that time, have reported that a clear dictat was announced that week, that everyone must wear shoes throughout the college rooms at all time.

The distress of the student in question was so great, she requested a private meeting rather than a public humiliation. The result is she is now no longer able to attend the college since she has been banned, stripped of her awards and membership as a result. This is a student who has supported the SNU, the AFC and invested heavily in tutor training.

It is this type of hypocrisy that irks so many who work with the president and is just one of a multitude of upsetting incidents of bullying of students.

Here are some very recent pictures taken by students of their classes and a newly engaged tutor - all barefoot! I am informed the president was in the building that week!



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I had heard about this incident before, I found it disturbing to say the least, not only the hypocrisy, I think the hypocrisy has been blatant all along but, by the way someone who claims to be Spiritual enough to think that they can lead the SNU, treating someone in such an awful manner, to humiliate anyone in such a way can never be acceptable and then to stick the boot in further, to remove their awards, membership and ban them from the college is unbelievable. I don’t know who this happened to but if they read this, I am sorry that you had to endure such disrespect and cruelty. It would seem that the new motto is “Do as I say, unless you’re in my clique, in which case do whatever the heck you like. Speak only in support of my dictatorship or you will be silenced and/or gone”

notabigjump wrote:

mac wrote:Has the individual whose photo is shown here twice been asked if it's OK to show her this way?

 She looks upset - presumably at what happened - but may also now be upset to see herself in this thread.

part of a batch but removed now

mac wrote:I'm not questioning anyone's honesty about what's being said but it's become a personalised attack on the President - perhaps deserved, I'm not arguing that -  whereas this thread was originally to consider the situation of the tutors and the SNU/AFC approach to them.

notabigjump wrote:Unfortunately, these incidents are all parts of the tutor dispute and included in their concerns. These are parts of why there is a clash.

notabigjump wrote:

mac wrote:I'm not questioning anyone's honesty about what's being said but it's become a personalised attack on the President - perhaps deserved, I'm not arguing that -  whereas this thread was originally to consider the situation of the tutors and the SNU/AFC approach to them.

Unfortunately, these incidents are all parts of the tutor dispute and included in their concerns. These are parts of why there is a clash.

mac wrote:It may all be part of a bigger picture but my concern was for the attendee whose image was posted - I'm guessing - without being asked.

unseenfriends wrote:

mac wrote:It may all be part of a bigger picture but my concern was for the attendee whose image was posted - I'm guessing - without being asked.

The person whose image has now been removed is not a student/attendee but an AFC tutor hence the face being shown, as the tutor being barefoot is a significant issue in the context of the original post.

mac wrote:

unseenfriends wrote:

mac wrote:It may all be part of a bigger picture but my concern was for the attendee whose image was posted - I'm guessing - without being asked.

The person whose image has now been removed is not a student/attendee but an AFC tutor hence the face being shown, as the tutor being barefoot is a significant issue in the context of the original post.

Are you saying, then, that the tutor agreed for her photograph to be posted here?

unseenfriends wrote:

mac wrote:

unseenfriends wrote:

mac wrote:It may all be part of a bigger picture but my concern was for the attendee whose image was posted - I'm guessing - without being asked.

The person whose image has now been removed is not a student/attendee but an AFC tutor hence the face being shown, as the tutor being barefoot is a significant issue in the context of the original post.

Are you saying, then, that the tutor agreed for her photograph to be posted here?

No.  But in the context of the original post I understand why it was included.

mac wrote:I was there for only half of the first day but the Agenda ran as planned (albeit over-running by nearly an hour with the last item held over to Sunday) so I'm assuming there wasn't an earlier attempt to stop the proceedings or it was not successful.  

The voting was completed in the afternoon and I expect the results will be communicated to members shortly.  I don't have a summary but I think the 4 year tenure of office was defeated.
Future complaints are to be carried out by an independent, professional body.  
The annual printed Yearbook is to be scrapped.  
Educational bursaries to continue.
Modernisation of wording of Seven Principles to be considered but there can be no changes to the fundamentals.

I did hear a brief mention of the ongoing legal stuff but with a statement that no comment could be given while that's underway.

It did seem the President was getting a lot of support.

OnlyVisitingEarth wrote:I have just been reading on Facebook about an incident at the AGM, of someone making a joke about sexual harassment and the people who thought it was funny and joined in laughing,  there are many people commenting about it.  Does anyone know if this has been reported?
 I also heard someone asking if the tutors at the college have current DBS's (Disclosure and Barring Service) in place.
After all the tutors are living under the same roof with the students and some of those students are vulnerable in different ways. Every tutor/teacher working in any halls of learning in the UK has to have a DBS certificate in place.
They are there to safe guard students, looking into tutors backgrounds, to see if they have any spent and unspent convictions, warnings, reprimands and cautions and the only time they do not show up is if they are 'protected'.
After reading the above comments about the grossly inappropriate joke at the SNU AGM and who laughed at it, I hope someone asks the important question about the tutor's DBS status  at the AGM today, or another governing body. not sure if that would be the Charities Commission.

mac wrote:I didn't get to the meeting 'til midday and don't know if there had earlier been mention of the alleged unapproved voting for President etc. and/or whether the fundraising aspect had been raised.

Did others watch/listen to what happened prior to midday?

Slatewriter wrote:

mac wrote:I didn't get to the meeting 'til midday and don't know if there had earlier been mention of the alleged unapproved voting for President etc. and/or whether the fundraising aspect had been raised.

Did others watch/listen to what happened prior to midday?

It was never mentioned at all

Slatewriter wrote:

mac wrote:I didn't get to the meeting 'til midday and don't know if there had earlier been mention of the alleged unapproved voting for President etc. and/or whether the fundraising aspect had been raised.

Did others watch/listen to what happened prior to midday?

It was never mentioned at all

Slatewriter wrote:

OnlyVisitingEarth wrote:I have just been reading on Facebook about an incident at the AGM, of someone making a joke about sexual harassment and the people who thought it was funny and joined in laughing,  there are many people commenting about it.  Does anyone know if this has been reported?
 I also heard someone asking if the tutors at the college have current DBS's (Disclosure and Barring Service) in place.
After all the tutors are living under the same roof with the students and some of those students are vulnerable in different ways. Every tutor/teacher working in any halls of learning in the UK has to have a DBS certificate in place.
They are there to safe guard students, looking into tutors backgrounds, to see if they have any spent and unspent convictions, warnings, reprimands and cautions and the only time they do not show up is if they are 'protected'.
After reading the above comments about the grossly inappropriate joke at the SNU AGM and who laughed at it, I hope someone asks the important question about the tutor's DBS status  at the AGM today, or another governing body. not sure if that would be the Charities Commission.

Without knowing what was said, this subject is pure speculation.
Unless the "incident at the AGM" refers to one speaker, who during the meeting did share a joke with JW, when he suggested that if she approached him (sexually) she would be wasting her time, and this was actually funny.

Slatewriter wrote:

OnlyVisitingEarth wrote:I have just been reading on Facebook about an incident at the AGM, of someone making a joke about sexual harassment and the people who thought it was funny and joined in laughing,  there are many people commenting about it.  Does anyone know if this has been reported?
 I also heard someone asking if the tutors at the college have current DBS's (Disclosure and Barring Service) in place.
After all the tutors are living under the same roof with the students and some of those students are vulnerable in different ways. Every tutor/teacher working in any halls of learning in the UK has to have a DBS certificate in place.
They are there to safe guard students, looking into tutors backgrounds, to see if they have any spent and unspent convictions, warnings, reprimands and cautions and the only time they do not show up is if they are 'protected'.
After reading the above comments about the grossly inappropriate joke at the SNU AGM and who laughed at it, I hope someone asks the important question about the tutor's DBS status  at the AGM today, or another governing body. not sure if that would be the Charities Commission.

Without knowing what was said, this subject is pure speculation.
Unless the "incident at the AGM" refers to one speaker, who during the meeting did share a joke with JW, when he suggested that if she approached him (sexually) she would be wasting her time, and this was actually funny.