Re: Why is there a Clash between the Tutors and the AFC

by Admin Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:50 am

Slatewriter wrote:
Admin wrote:I have not had a reply from Companies house.

Have they at least acknowledged your complaint?
(If not I think perhaps you ought to get back in touch with them)

Yes they have

by Admin Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:13 am

Hmm with Scott at the AFC I note an old thread about him has come alive again. I am sure that the College Committee must be aware of all this but other may not be https://www.spiritualismlink.com/t2062p150-scott-milligan#19643

I do suggest you follow that link with its recent updates.

by Janhar Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:06 am

I think this is going to come forward into its own now. Check link.

https://www.summerlandtrust.co.uk/about-us

by mac Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:09 am

Admin wrote:
Slatewriter wrote:
Admin wrote:I have not had a reply from Companies house.

Have they at least acknowledged your complaint?
(If not I think perhaps you ought to get back in touch with them)

Yes they have

That's one good step forward then, Jim, and we must hope their staff begin the investigation soon but allowing due time for the SNU to respond.

by mac Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:11 am

Janhar wrote:I think this is going to come forward into its own now. Check link.

https://www.summerlandtrust.co.uk/about-us

very interesting!

by mac Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:15 am

Admin wrote:Hmm with Scott at the AFC I note an old thread about him has come alive again. I am sure that the College Committee must be aware of all this but other may not be https://www.spiritualismlink.com/t2062p150-scott-milligan#19643

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.....

by Slatewriter Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:26 am

Has anyone asked the Charities Commission if the upcoming SNU AGM is legal?

by Anniemillo1 Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:37 am

HI, Yes, my reply was that it is not a matter that they would investigate.

by Anniemillo1 Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:39 am

I have to wonder what it would take for them to investigate a Charity.

by Slatewriter Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:41 am

Anniemillo1 wrote:HI, Yes, my reply was that it is not a matter that they would investigate.

and they knew that electronic voting was not yet allowed in the constitution?

by Anniemillo1 Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:45 am

Yes, I explained everything, electronic voting in contravention with the bye laws, hiring tutors who havent been working in AFC for various reasons. bullying, court case pending etc. What more can we do?

by Slatewriter Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:48 am

Anniemillo1 wrote:I have to wonder what it would take for them to investigate a Charity.

I wonder. So what is their role in fact? They must have a responsibility to investigate complaints

by Janhar Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:53 am

Slatewriter wrote:
Anniemillo1 wrote:I have to wonder what it would take for them to investigate a Charity.

I wonder. So what is their role in fact? They must have a responsibility to investigate complaints

I think maybe if there is a proven law breaking they might be able to step in. I don’t know this, I just think it might be the case.
Which would mean a prosecution.
But the charity commission won’t prosecute it needs to have been done already and found against.

by Slatewriter Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:58 am

If enough people have complained then they would have to do something, otherwise the Charities Commission themselves may be seen to be at fault

by Slatewriter Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:00 am

Maybe it's time for someone living near to Stansted Hall itself to let their local Member of Parliament know what's going on?
Any perceived wrongdoing in their own constituency would be of interest.

by Janhar Thu Sep 26, 2024 9:17 am

Slatewriter wrote:Maybe it's time for someone living near to Stansted Hall itself to let their local Member of Parliament know what's going on?
Any perceived wrongdoing in their own constituency would be of interest.

Just being a bit light hearted here, but your comment gave me a wonderful mental tableau of a fierce debate about JW in the House of commons

Seriously though, I think that if there is no intervention at the AGM nothing will happen. There might be developments down the line if someone has taken legal action for bullying or unfair dismissal which has still to be concluded. I have no idea what is happening.

by mac Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:15 am

Aren't we getting muddled about who would investigate what?

As I recall from early in this conversation, it was said our President tried to raise funds for the College in a way that contravened what was allowed for such an organisation and/or that misleading or dishonest claims were made in order to raise funds. (it was alleged) The legality/lawfulness of the vote concerning the Union's senior staff would not - as I see it - be a matter for the Charities Commission.

By contrast Jim had told us how the last issue was a contravention of the articles of association (or whatever the correct legality) and that it would be a matter for Companies House to look into given the SNU is a registered business. The lawfulness of unapproved voting hence the status of the President - and all that might follow - may be a matter for Companies House to look at. Or perhaps not.....

No matter how indignant, upset or angry members may be, and no matter how many members were to complain, if the regulatory bodies' remits do not cover such complaints then they're not going to get involved.

The MP for that area MIGHT be interested - there's one way to find out....

by mac Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:25 am

Janhar wrote:
Slatewriter wrote:Maybe it's time for someone living near to Stansted Hall itself to let their local Member of Parliament know what's going on?
Any perceived wrongdoing in their own constituency would be of interest.
Just being a bit light hearted here, but your comment gave me a wonderful mental tableau of a fierce debate about JW in the House of commons
Seriously though, I think that if there is no intervention at the AGM nothing will happen. There might be developments down the line if someone has taken legal action for bullying or unfair dismissal which has still to be concluded. I have no idea what is happening.

Oh it would sure be fun if goings-on in our tin-pot Union were to become a matter for debate in Parliament!! lol

The AGM is days away and there doesn't appear any formal way to raise an objection about the lawfulness of the proceedings. A mass protest and disruption of the proceedings by a large enough group attending the AGM might prevent the Agenda being followed hence effectively wrecking the whole AGM. The consequent publicity might also help.

The employment law issues will be sorted out by the specialists being paid to sort them out.

by mac Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:51 am

I concluded - after minimal consideration - that my parkrun Saturday morning was way more important to my health and well-being than staying at home and attending the AGM, via Zoom, from its opening at 9 o'clock. I've already sent my voting mandate to MiVote as I couldn't figure exactly when the voting would take place and didn't want to miss casting my ballots. I've done what I can!

I do plan on sticking my head in as soon as I'm able to see what's happening. Mebbes I'll see some of yous other guys there although I won't know who you are! And you won't know me! lol

by notabigjump Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:06 pm

Just bringing things back to the tutor dispute, there was an incident which upset a lot of people – the tutors in dispute included.

On a particular course, a popular student and award holder, was singled out in the dining room by the current president, because she wasn’t wearing shoes. This student had previously been given permission to go barefoot, but the president objected.

In a busy dining room, the student was very publicly humiliated and was deeply upset by the incident, because of the rude manner in which she was spoken to in public. Other students and tutors present were also upset as the president was so offensive to her.

The tutors working at that time, have reported that a clear dictat was announced that week, that everyone must wear shoes throughout the college rooms at all time.

The distress of the student in question was so great, she requested a private meeting rather than a public humiliation. The result is she is now no longer able to attend the college since she has been banned, stripped of her awards and membership as a result. This is a student who has supported the SNU, the AFC and invested heavily in tutor training.

It is this type of hypocrisy that irks so many who work with the president and is just one of a multitude of upsetting incidents of bullying of students.

Here are some very recent pictures taken by students of their classes and a newly engaged tutor - all barefoot! I am informed the president was in the building that week!

Why is there a Clash between the Tutors and the AFC - Page 28 Barefo16

Why is there a Clash between the Tutors and the AFC - Page 28 Barefo18

by unseenfriends Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:50 pm

notabigjump wrote:It is this type of hypocrisy that irks so many who work with the president and is just one of a multitude of upsetting incidents of bullying of students.

Totally agree. I have heard of many such incidents. This President is known for her favouritism and promoting of those she likes and her negativity and bullying towards those she doesn’t.

Interestingly during one public outburst at the AFC, she said it was her goal to make the college spiritual if it was the last thing she does. To date, I see no evidence of spirituality, humility, compromise, compassion or altruism in her behaviour regarding tutors and students at the AFC.

by MoMer Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:23 pm

unseenfriends wrote:
notabigjump wrote:It is this type of hypocrisy that irks so many who work with the president and is just one of a multitude of upsetting incidents of bullying of students.

Totally agree. I have heard of many such incidents. This President is known for her favouritism and promoting of those she likes and her negativity and bullying towards those she doesn’t.

Interestingly during one public outburst at the AFC, she said it was her goal to make the college spiritual if it was the last thing she does. To date, I see no evidence of spirituality, humility, compromise, compassion or altruism in her behaviour regarding tutors and students at the AFC.

I couldn’t agree more, unseenfriends. I have seen none of those things either, one of the biggest things that she claims is “of service” is only being done because she can’t take two wages, ie the president’s salary and the tutor’s pay, so she kept the higher paying salary and created the presidents fund to “donate” the tutor’s pay to. I would love to know how she justifies it, when she is doing her tutor role for a quarter of the year. I’m not sure how she manages to fulfill the president’s role, while tutoring at the AFC, yet it’s the presidents salary that she is receiving. Beggars belief but, not much different from all the other stunts being pulled. The hypocrisy, the cronyism, the bullying, the reactive nature, the self service are all there for everyone to see and none of them endearing traits in anyone, least of all the President of a Spiritual community. Too much bluff and bluster going on. Now we wait. I doubt anything will be forthcoming at the AGM tomorrow (or today now!), I have kept my membership until now simply to have my voice for the motions but then I will be gone, until things change. If I felt that she was reasonable and cared about the members then I would stay but alas, I have seen the opposite and know my voice will be of no relevance if I stay. Therefore, I may as well step away and save myself further frustration and hurt, in the hope that if enough leave questions will be asked, maybe that’s the only way they will be asked now, because whatever she does doesn’t seem to be raising enough eyebrows.

by MoMer Fri Sep 27, 2024 11:35 pm

notabigjump wrote:Just bringing things back to the tutor dispute, there was an incident which upset a lot of people – the tutors in dispute included.

On a particular course, a popular student and award holder, was singled out in the dining room by the current president, because she wasn’t wearing shoes. This student had previously been given permission to go barefoot, but the president objected.

In a busy dining room, the student was very publicly humiliated and was deeply upset by the incident, because of the rude manner in which she was spoken to in public. Other students and tutors present were also upset as the president was so offensive to her.

The tutors working at that time, have reported that a clear dictat was announced that week, that everyone must wear shoes throughout the college rooms at all time.

The distress of the student in question was so great, she requested a private meeting rather than a public humiliation. The result is she is now no longer able to attend the college since she has been banned, stripped of her awards and membership as a result. This is a student who has supported the SNU, the AFC and invested heavily in tutor training.

It is this type of hypocrisy that irks so many who work with the president and is just one of a multitude of upsetting incidents of bullying of students.

Here are some very recent pictures taken by students of their classes and a newly engaged tutor - all barefoot! I am informed the president was in the building that week!

[url=https://servimg.com/view/20576868/12[/url]

I had heard about this incident before, I found it disturbing to say the least, not only the hypocrisy, I think the hypocrisy has been blatant all along but, by the way someone who claims to be Spiritual enough to think that they can lead the SNU, treating someone in such an awful manner, to humiliate anyone in such a way can never be acceptable and then to stick the boot in further, to remove their awards, membership and ban them from the college is unbelievable. I don’t know who this happened to but if they read this, I am sorry that you had to endure such disrespect and cruelty. It would seem that the new motto is “Do as I say, unless you’re in my clique, in which case do whatever the heck you like. Speak only in support of my dictatorship or you will be silenced and/or gone”

by Admin Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:39 am

Well just another example AGM day is her we may be regrouping afterwards to see what happens.

by mac Sat Sep 28, 2024 6:41 am

Has the individual whose photo is shown here twice been asked if it's OK to show her this way?

She looks upset - presumably at what happened - but may also now be upset to see herself in this thread.

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