a grand - or grandiose? - vision?

Neilos wrote:I find there is a sense of general cynicism regarding modern physical mediumship on this page and members lament the golden era of our past. It's like watching Luddites discuss new technologies lol! Not all of the modern physical mediums are frauds nor is everyone on the Internet deceitful. In my experience mental mediumship generally is of a poor quality and just as hard to find as a good home circle that invites guests. I still prefer to hunt for the circle rather than sit and moan in a state of almost learned helplessness.

mac wrote:I know nothing about this so-called photoplasm.  Can you enlighten me with a brief explanation and also say who's using it and how successfully?  I'd appreciate it and it would save my hunting stuff out.

mac wrote:Modern physical mediumship only means 'modern day' p.m.  

You're right that there are probably no new humans who are different from any 'old' ones but we can't know whether a (literally) new form of energy may one day be used in mediumship.  All we feel right now is that presently there's nothing different from things before.  But who knows what the decades or centuries ahead will bring?

The movement of Modern Spiritualism may have run its intended course.  At some point in earth's future, today's mediumship may simply be a curiosity for spiritual historians to study and document, rather as the early days of Spiritualism currently are.  Who knows whether our friends unseen have prepared a new phase of communication of the message of survival, a phase which will enter this world in a way we can't envisage, kinda like the story of the Fox girls?  

Perhaps the mediums of our future will come to this world with attributes not widely seen before, the province of individuals we see as fantasists today?  

Who knows?

Jane Lyzell wrote:

mac wrote:Modern physical mediumship only means 'modern day' p.m.  

You're right that there are probably no new humans who are different from any 'old' ones but we can't know whether a (literally) new form of energy may one day be used in mediumship.  All we feel right now is that presently there's nothing different from things before.  But who knows what the decades or centuries ahead will bring?

The movement of Modern Spiritualism may have run its intended course.  At some point in earth's future, today's mediumship may simply be a curiosity for spiritual historians to study and document, rather as the early days of Spiritualism currently are.  Who knows whether our friends unseen have prepared a new phase of communication of the message of survival, a phase which will enter this world in a way we can't envisage, kinda like the story of the Fox girls?  

Perhaps the mediums of our future will come to this world with attributes not widely seen before, the province of individuals we see as fantasists today?  

Who knows?

No then yoy need a new human fore that - Mediumship isent Magic it is pure sience

mac wrote:I know nothing about this so-called photoplasm.  Can you enlighten me with a brief explanation and also say who's using it and how successfully?  I'd appreciate it and it would save my hunting stuff out.

Admin wrote:I have just bought myself a new job Mac creating an index for each forum so we can easily see what's in it. 6 years ago I was still a young man under 60 (well just by a little bit).

It was a very interesting thread.

Left Behind wrote:I think that the spirit world reaches us in many different ways, and varies its approach - or its primary approaches - to suit the prevailing 'spirit' of the age.

In times past, people were more faith oriented: so faith in revealed religion worked well.

Then, faith waned: and in came physical mediumship: a spiritual sound and light show, if you will.

Then charlatanism set in, the sound and light show ran its course: and in came the era of mental mediumship.

In the present day, we have a new religion called science, and its degreed hierarchy is the new priesthood: hence the interest in the near-death phenomenon.

But all approaches are valid, in all eras. It's just that some people are more moved by one approach than they are by another, and one approach works better in a given era than another.

What the future will bring, we cannot know. But we may rest assured that spirit will never cease reaching out to those of us still trapped in this realm of material matter.

Jane Lyzell wrote:All forms of mediumship is science between worlds. There is a whole team with andligha helpers that make communication possible. They are scientists, quantum physicists, health care doctors, and others who make communication even possible.

Mediumship without a medium is not possible - not even in EVP, or television is required always a human medium that it goes through

Maybe what I write is being lost as English isn't your first language but I didn't say that science isn't involved.  What I said is that we don't have any understanding of that science relating to communication and mediumship.  We don't know, for example, what's involved when a medium and communicator each change to eliminate as much as possible the differences in their 'vibrations' - whatever that means in scientific terms!

Concerning your last paragraph your right - mediumship (by definition) isn't possible without the agency of a medium but communication may be possible without.  There are those who will argue that certain electronic phenomena are the result of discarnates seeking to communicate directly with incarnates, without any third party assistance of a medium.  That's not me saying it - I'm just reporting what I hear on other discussion websites/forums.

mac wrote:

Jane Lyzell wrote:All forms of mediumship is science between worlds. There is a whole team with andligha helpers that make communication possible. They are scientists, quantum physicists, health care doctors, and others who make communication even possible.

Mediumship without a medium is not possible - not even in EVP, or television is required always a human medium that it goes through

Maybe what I write is being lost as English isn't your first language but I didn't say that science isn't involved.  What I said is that we don't have any understanding of that science relating to communication and mediumship.  We don't know, for example, what's involved when a medium and communicator each change to eliminate as much as possible the differences in their 'vibrations'  - whatever that means in scientific terms!  

Concerning your last paragraph your right - mediumship (by definition) isn't possible without the agency of a medium but communication may be possible without.  There are those who will argue that certain electronic phenomena are the result of discarnates seeking to communicate directly with incarnates, without any third party assistance of a medium.  That's not me saying it - I'm just reporting what I hear on other discussion websites/forums.