a grand - or grandiose? - vision?

Jane Lyzell wrote:

mac wrote:

Jane Lyzell wrote:All forms of mediumship is science between worlds. There is a whole team with andligha helpers that make communication possible. They are scientists, quantum physicists, health care doctors, and others who make communication even possible.

Mediumship without a medium is not possible - not even in EVP, or television is required always a human medium that it goes through

Maybe what I write is being lost as English isn't your first language but I didn't say that science isn't involved.  What I said is that we don't have any understanding of that science relating to communication and mediumship.  We don't know, for example, what's involved when a medium and communicator each change to eliminate as much as possible the differences in their 'vibrations'  - whatever that means in scientific terms!  

Concerning your last paragraph your right - mediumship (by definition) isn't possible without the agency of a medium but communication may be possible without.  There are those who will argue that certain electronic phenomena are the result of discarnates seeking to communicate directly with incarnates, without any third party assistance of a medium.  That's not me saying it - I'm just reporting what I hear on other discussion websites/forums.

No you cant have kontakt and comunication whit oute a medium (ore a human ho is as the medium) you need some how press the butten

Admin wrote:Not actually correct Jane. Psychical researchers have identified spontaneous mediumship as one of the most common forms. People, who are not mediums who receive contact from loved one's, or even friends and acquaintances around the moment of passing.

There is a very worthwhile literature about this and I gave a talk about this last year on a Sunday. I  did not know what to talk about but as ever Spirit attracted me to an article called Seeing Dead People Not Knowing They Have Died because it popped up the very moment I started to think about a talk.

I have posted this https://www.spiritualismlink.com/t2246-spontaneous-mediumship-seeing-dead-people#19376

mac wrote:

Admin wrote:Not actually correct Jane. Psychical researchers have identified spontaneous mediumship as one of the most common forms. People, who are not mediums who receive contact from loved one's, or even friends and acquaintances around the moment of passing.

There is a very worthwhile literature about this and I gave a talk about this last year on a Sunday. I  did not know what to talk about but as ever Spirit attracted me to an article called Seeing Dead People Not Knowing They Have Died because it popped up the very moment I started to think about a talk.

I have posted this https://www.spiritualismlink.com/t2246-spontaneous-mediumship-seeing-dead-people#19376

I hadn't seen your reply, Jim, until I'd posted in response to Jane's last message.  

That's a good example of communication and if there's also a message for someone else it would fit my criterion of mediumship.  Although the person receiving such a message may not be recognised as a medium it could be argued that she/he was just for that short time i.e. transient mediumship.  

If the contact came about, though, purely for the benefit of the one receiving the message I don't class that as mediumship.  For me there has to be the  aspect of a 'go-between', someone facilitating communication to benefit someone else.  

Perhaps I'm just an insufferable pedant?