Investigation into the Mediumship of Kai Muegge

Lis wrote:Hi don't-like-frauds,

It seems you have had some hard times in the past, and your experience with the Felix Experimental Group sadly also proved very disturbing as well.

As Obiwan so rightly comments, when one has anger at having experienced injustice, it is important to feel safe to express it, but it is also so very important to find the ways forward to  not let that anger stay in one's heart.

Yet, to speak out against injustice and wrong conduct is important, especially when in doing so it is a way to help others to prevent being hurt as you have been.

All the best,

Lis

Hi Lis,

thank you. I try to do my best. If we can break the chain, that a "victim" doesn´t become an "offender" we´ve already done a lot.

Concerning the "Mügge-case" it´s right to fight his behaviour, but i would never "judge" him as a person. God knows, what made him to act like this...

Hermann

bravo321uk wrote:I seen the link on pm4u and knew it wouldnt stay long.. and as we all know with new blogs it will be a long while before google finds them,,,, hence why I posted it here.. and true enough I had a look this morning and it was gone... When I look at these pics there are lots of things that disturb me... not just the thumbs... why are the eyes of the "medium"  open at points almost like he is watching the "show" why is there a bottle of water between his feet? what on earth is that white material between his feet.. is it a towel or is it meant to be ectoplasm... why is there a bucket by the side of him... to me these pics look like a man that is surrounded by props with a bottle of water for when he gets thirsty...

For security reasons i made a screenshot of my post there. If there is a legal problem to post it here, please tell me, Lis. I delete it then instantly.



The post was online at least two days, and the last time i´ve seen it, it had 90 views.

Then i´ve got a nice mail from Robin. Somehow, it´s "banning"time for me in the moment...

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Robin Foy has sent you a message on Physical Mediumship 4U

Subject: Kai

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Hello Hermann,

You are aware that I do not stand for defamatory comments on this site about Physical mediums I know personally to be genuine. That applies to all , as we are a site that is positive and helpful towards one another of the members. You latest comments unfortunately regarding Kai force me to rescind your membership.

Robin
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The term "positive" has caught my attention. I would replace it with " we are a closed community"

I wouldn´t overweight pm4u by the way. I´ve "checked" my friends there. Most not to say all of them are not active anymore.

bravo321uk wrote:I seen the link on pm4u and knew it wouldnt stay long.. and as we all know with new blogs it will be a long while before google finds them,,,, hence why I posted it here.. and true enough I had a look this morning and it was gone... When I look at these pics there are lots of things that disturb me... not just the thumbs... why are the eyes of the "medium"  open at points almost like he is watching the "show" why is there a bottle of water between his feet? what on earth is that white material between his feet.. is it a towel or is it meant to be ectoplasm... why is there a bucket by the side of him... to me these pics look like a man that is surrounded by props with a bottle of water for when he gets thirsty...

Very good questions.
The white material on the floor is this "new german kind of ectoplasm", never heard about it?

No, jokes aside, this is about what Michael writes in his report. It seems, that he didn´t have enough time to hide it, so he just let it on the floor.
If it´s dark, you don´t see it. Could he know, that the pictures will be brighten later?
I´ve never seen him drinking water in this three years. Only "Fanta" or a "redbull"-like drink from "LIDL". I can´t remember, that he drank while his performance.
The bucket is interesting. He has never forgot it. He said, that it is there in the case he has to throw up. He has never thrown up, only made throw up noises.
The use of the bucket could be to store temporarily the undestroyable german ectoplasm. Could be. I´m not so good in trickery, i´ve got him, because he couldn´t go in trance at all during a real trance seminar.
What funny smilies they have here:  

I like all kind of "coincidences".
The day i post my blog with the report about KM a few days ago, a member from this special seminar i have written about called me and said, that i suddenly came in her mind and she has had the feeling to check if everything is ok. We didn´t have contact for two years. She can remember this trance seminar as it were yesterday and reported again, how dramatically the energy had changed to the positive, when KM left the seminar.

I like this coincidences especially with music. When i made the decision to write this blog a few days ago, i´ve turned the radio on and "Power of Love" from Frankie goes to hollywood just started.
When i made the decision to leave the circle "Stairway to heaven" form Led Zeppelin just started.
KM lampooned me as a "receiver of divine messages" for that. I´m not really sure, what was speaking through him, when he has said this.

dont-like-frauds wrote:

bravo321uk wrote:I seen the link on pm4u and knew it wouldnt stay long.. and as we all know with new blogs it will be a long while before google finds them,,,, hence why I posted it here.. and true enough I had a look this morning and it was gone... When I look at these pics there are lots of things that disturb me... not just the thumbs... why are the eyes of the "medium"  open at points almost like he is watching the "show" why is there a bottle of water between his feet? what on earth is that white material between his feet.. is it a towel or is it meant to be ectoplasm... why is there a bucket by the side of him... to me these pics look like a man that is surrounded by props with a bottle of water for when he gets thirsty...

For security reasons i made a screenshot of my post there. If there is a legal problem to post it here, please tell me, Lis. I delete it then instantly.



The post was online at least two days, and the last time i´ve seen it, it had 90 views.

Then i´ve got a nice mail from Robin. Somehow, it´s "banning"time for me in the moment...

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Robin Foy has sent you a message on Physical Mediumship 4U

Subject: Kai

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Hello Hermann,

You are aware that I do not stand for defamatory comments on this site about Physical mediums I know personally to be genuine. That applies to all , as we are a site that is positive and helpful towards one another of the members. You latest comments unfortunately regarding Kai force me to rescind your membership.

Robin
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The term "positive" has caught my attention. I would replace it with " we are a closed community"

I wouldn´t overweight pm4u by the way. I´ve "checked" my friends there. Most not to say all of them are not active anymore.

I goth the same pm from Robin when told them aboute Anders Åkesons froude

Jane Lyzell wrote:

dont-like-frauds wrote:

bravo321uk wrote:I seen the link on pm4u and knew it wouldnt stay long.. and as we all know with new blogs it will be a long while before google finds them,,,, hence why I posted it here.. and true enough I had a look this morning and it was gone... When I look at these pics there are lots of things that disturb me... not just the thumbs... why are the eyes of the "medium"  open at points almost like he is watching the "show" why is there a bottle of water between his feet? what on earth is that white material between his feet.. is it a towel or is it meant to be ectoplasm... why is there a bucket by the side of him... to me these pics look like a man that is surrounded by props with a bottle of water for when he gets thirsty...

For security reasons i made a screenshot of my post there. If there is a legal problem to post it here, please tell me, Lis. I delete it then instantly.



The post was online at least two days, and the last time i´ve seen it, it had 90 views.

Then i´ve got a nice mail from Robin. Somehow, it´s "banning"time for me in the moment...

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Robin Foy has sent you a message on Physical Mediumship 4U

Subject: Kai

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Hello Hermann,

You are aware that I do not stand for defamatory comments on this site about Physical mediums I know personally to be genuine. That applies to all , as we are a site that is positive and helpful towards one another of the members. You latest comments unfortunately regarding Kai force me to rescind your membership.

Robin
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The term "positive" has caught my attention. I would replace it with " we are a closed community"

I wouldn´t overweight pm4u by the way. I´ve "checked" my friends there. Most not to say all of them are not active anymore.

I goth the same pm from Robin when told them aboute Anders Åkesons froude

There are none as blind as those who will not see.

exakly

A member of PM4U has passed on to me some comments made on that site by Kai Muegge relating to his 'misadventure' in attempting to enter Australia.

Muegge stated:

"Julia and I were not aware to have overstepped the restriction of the applied visa and it laid in the hands of the immigration officers at location to simply let us enter the country. Some say it is because of the conservative government, that we were treated like that and sent home after 30 hrs of flight. A special visum to hold religious events was requested we had not. Sad story and a money burn big time, for all of us. We again apologize. We know our presence was highly anticipated and we crossed 20.000 miles to share with the people the beauty of the spirits and Seance Room Phenomena, but we were hindered to do so. I hope we can retry to visit Australia soon."

Now Muegge's remarks I find quite interesting. He claims he and his wife were "not aware to have overstepped the restriction of the applied visa." This simply cannot be correct. They applied for and obtained a Tourist Visa - that is, a visa that entitled them to enter Australia for  a holiday, or to visit family or friends.

There are several versions of such a visa, however ALL quite specifically state as part of the application requirements that they may NOT WORK for or provide services to, a business or organisation, nor sell goods or services to the public. Even if they are intending to participate in conferences, trade fairs or seminars they can only enter on a tourist visa if they are not being paid by the organisers for their participation.

To work in Australia a person must have a valid Australian visa with work rights and there are a range of temporary visas that can be applied for, however, only one would potentially apply to the "work" for payment that Muegge intended to carry out, and this is the Temporary Work (Short Stay Activity) visa (subclass 400). That visa is for people who want to travel to Australia to "do short-term, highly specialised, non ongoing work," or "to participate in non-ongoing cultural or social activities at the invitation of an Australian organisation." Whether the Australian authorities would consider Muegge's activities qualify under this category is debateable.

I write all this because I want to make quite clear that there is NO WAY Muegge was UNAWARE that a tourist visa DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO WORK . To claim he did not understand this is quite ridiculous. Perhaps he is being so disingenuous in the hope that the gullible ones will feel sympathy for him. Poor fellow.

In a further post he claimed:

"It was a matter of chance that we were choosen to be questioned further and because not knowing about having done something wrong we answered freely to the officers.
The reason we have not talked about this yet is, that internationally most mediums are traveling and demonstrating on behalf of regular visas. Not to endanger others we did not want to make a big fuzz out of this episode. My both posts here will be therefore deleted in a short time. Greets Kai"

Muegge may well be correct in suggesting that "internationally most mediums are travelling and demonstrating"  using tourist visas when entering Australia, America and elsewhere, but if so, they too run the risk of being turned back on arrival in those countries. And, to be quite frank, so they should. It is illegal to travel to a country on a tourist visa with the intent to work and obtain monies.

As for the suggestion what happened to Muegge was because of the conservative government in Australia - that is such a daft remark I find myself falling over laughing. He got stopped because he tried to enter the country illegally. That is the case under Australian law, and has been for many years, and will continue to be the law for the foreseeable future - regardless of which political party might be in power.

Finally, with respect to  Muegge's remark he was to: "share with the people the beauty of the spirits and Seance Room Phenomena," I can only say what "spirits'' and what "phenomena" might he have been going to share, I wonder? False trance?  De Lite Flight lights? Or some other pseudo performance?

As far as I am concerned, the people in Australia were very, very, lucky to have avoided attendance at this person's séances.

Some medium, did the "beauty of the spirits" not warn the wizard that he would be refused entry into Oz.

Quite right Mark his main Guide Hans Bender is truly top notch....

Yes it appears Hans has come down a peg or two since his passing to spirit, I wonder what his daughter would think 

"It was a matter of chance that we were choosen to be questioned further and because not knowing about having done something wrong we answered freely to the officers.
The reason we have not talked about this yet is, that internationally most mediums are traveling and demonstrating on behalf of regular visas. Not to endanger others we did not want to make a big fuzz out of this episode. My both posts here will be therefore deleted in a short time. Greets Kai"

The above posting has now been removed from the PM4U website although the earlier one currently remains.

So Herr Mügge deleted his posting because he was concerned that mediums travelling to foreign countries (to work there without permission) might get stopped as a consequence of border officers having read about such things on PM4U?    

So Muegge didn't talk about what happened to him because other mediums are also doing what he did and he didn't want to endanger them by making a big fuzz (sic) about it??

Surely, if Muegge is aware that other mediums are doing what he attempted to do, that is enter countries on tourist visas when they intend to work and earn money, he should be speaking out to warn them of the dangers of their conduct, not doing the opposite.

Lis wrote:So Muegge didn't talk about what happened to him because other mediums are also doing what he did and he didn't want to endanger them by making a big fuzz (sic) about it??

Surely, if Muegge is aware that other mediums are doing what he attempted to do, that is enter countries on tourist visas when they intend to work and earn money, he should be speaking out to warn them of the dangers of their conduct, not doing the opposite.

Ah but, ah but, ah but, Lis, you're expecting him to act like someone with integrity when there are just-a-few suggestions  that he's not the genuine article in the first place, someone who may not always be a mensch....

I'd love to find out that's not the case but I won't be holding my breath!

I wouldn't be at all surprised, Mac, at what the Immigration Authorities are able to access once they become aware of a person having attempted to enter a country illegally.

It would also not surprise me to learn that such authorities might put out a general notice to other Commonwealth countries and countries with whom Australia has strong inter-relations, regarding the criminal activities of people.

One suspects that Mr Muegge's activities have thus been shared, and he might well find it significantly more difficult to enter other countries in the future.

It has been brought to my attention that on Saturday Kai Muegge made a further comment on PM4U which is worth posting here:

". . . not only interesting but exemplary what could happen at the borderline of most of the countries to mediums wanting to hold spirit service or communions. Actual religious working visa are extremely difficult to get at least for the continents where there is actual interest in our all work. Neither in Germany, nor Denmark or wherever [sic] in europe, nor in Australia or lets say in other thinkable countries nobody else but citizens are allowed to hold religious or esoteric events. Not even for free!!! All the mediums i have heard of simply go under the radar!
We were extremely unlucky and usually the spirits beware us from things like that. But not always they have the power to influence earthly belongings to the good!"

Muegge is quite correct in stating that religious working visas are difficult to obtain, (certainly that is the case in regards to Australia), unless there is a credible organisation that has "sponsored" the visitor, and the visitor can be deemed a recognisable, accredited religious representative.

He is, however, wrong in stating that only citizens of a given country "are allowed to hold religious or esoteric events," nor that a non-citizen cannot do it even if they work for free.

He is right, I am sure, that many mediums visiting Australia, Europe, America, and elsewhere, do enter these countries by "flying under the radar"- that is, by illegally entering using a tourist visa even though they have publicised on internet sites that their visit is to perform séances or public demonstrations for which there is a charge.

How dumb they all are, thinking they can post endless announcements on Facebook and other websites about their intended activities yet not expect that the authorities in the countries they visit might become aware of their activities.

It is also interesting to see that Muegge  should suggest he was "extremely unlucky" and that "usually the spirits beware us from things like that." He seems to think that the spirit world is in the business of protecting fraudulent, dishonest persons from being caught out in their deceit. Not a perception I have ever had about the way spirit works, but then again, the "spirit world" that Muegge apparently connects with is a very different one to that which I have experience of in almost fifty years as a medium.

For Muegge to add,"But not always they have the power to influence earthly belongings to the good!" is quite a disturbing remark really. He seems to be suggesting that the spirits may be willing and able to exert power over people to pervert the laws of the land and to do so for someone such as Muegge because what he does is "good."

I say, however it came about, by "bad luck," or some other cause, the denial of entry into Australia of Kai Muegge was a real blessing as it prevented numerous people being cheated out of their money. They were saved from being duped and that can only be viewed as a positive result.

One might also well ask whether Muegge's 'séances' can really be classed as "religious or esoteric events." Do the people sitting in his séances really see that event as a religious experience? Do they think they are attending an esoteric happening?

By Muegge's own statements (see p. 15 of this thread) he cannot even claim to be a Spiritualist, or that his activities are Spiritualist religious meetings. While he might wish to suggest he is some kind of modern day shamanistic performer, he can hardly call himself a person of religion.

He stresses that people cannot even enter countries to hold such "religious or esoteric events" for free - yet apart from his intended events at the Wallacia Centre where his "payment" was only the cost of his air fares (which is still payment, really), he intended to go on to Queensland to do numerous séances for which he would most certainly have been paid, though admittedly only 60% of the $17,000.00 or more that would have been generated from his activities.

A not inconsiderable sum of money on top of free air fares to and from Australia.

One wonders whether the organisers of the Wallacia Centre had pre-paid his fare and so it was they who suffered significant financial loss. If so I do hope they demanded Kai Muegge reimburse them for their loss given it was he who acted illegally resulting in his being refused entry.

Well put Lis

I really cannot think of an acceptable explanation for not complying with the reasonable immigration requirements of a country one is visiting unless it is one of the more repressive regimes, which certainly wouldn't include Australia. Even then there must be a good reason for it, simply to make money wouldn't be acceptable as far as I can see.

The fact people like KM think what they are doing is in some sense 'religious' makes me scratch my head.

In reply to Mark's question to Scott. I sat with Kai at Eastbourne and I have sat with him on another occasion since. My opinion is that I do not believe the phenomenon I experienced at the Eastbourne séance could have been fraudulent due to the way the room was set up and the range of phenomena observed. I observed 4 different kinds of ectoplasm plus spirit lights that look nothing like the D-lite videos. The trumpet phenomena was amazing and in my opinion impossible to create by cheating. The only way that it could be done is if the medium was able to hide a telescopic rod on his person that could be moved at high speed and the length to range from 6 to at least 30 feet.

There was very little in terms evidence of survival evidence but I understand that Kai's team are working towards that objective.

Thank you for your comments Neilos. Interesting. How would you then explain the other evidence that has accumulated that really does not seem can be refuted?

Also, I am most intrigued to see you make mention of trumpet phenomena. This is not something that I had heard formed part of Kai's usual phenomena.

And "4 different kinds of ectoplasm"? Surely there has only ever been one type? Please do, if you can, explain what these different types of ectoplasm were, and how they were described as such in the séance you attended.

If you add to that the possible use of hallucinatory drugs, which I understand that David Thompson has suggested, on PM 4U occurs, while not suggesting which mediums are involved, which supports the contentions in this thread, then the issues become very real where is reality and where is a drug induced sub conscious reality.

Admin wrote:If you add to that the possible use of hallucinatory drugs, which I understand that David Thompson has suggested, on PM 4U occurs, while not suggesting which mediums are involved, which supports the contentions in this thread, then the issues become very real where is reality and where is a drug induced sub conscious reality.

hallucinatory drugs,- you are kidding mee - this is soo bad

Lis wrote:

Also, I am most intrigued to see you make mention of trumpet phenomena. This is not something that I had heard formed part of Kai's usual phenomena.

Hi Lis,

The trumpet phenomena is part of Kai Mügge´s normal performance, at least in my three years. And the trumpet is more far away of the cabinet like i.e. Lamar Keene´s fake revealed in a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLzwzYziubI#t=11
But again: this doesn´t mean that it is not a trick if one can´t explain it in the moment. There are much more fascinating tricks in bright light i can´t explain, too. This doesn´t mean either, that spirit is working with the tricks i can´t explain.
I can remember being in Basel with KM to watch a Bill Meadow´s show. I was impressed by the speed Meadows´ two trumpets had. Mügge not, he said: „ i can do this, too“ Obviously it´s not so easy to do, because KM still „works“ with only one trumpet. Because it was not far away from the cabinet, it could be, that Meadows was just standing in front of the cabinet like Keene did. Meadows is another cable tie artist like WC and DT. In this very show, there was a swiss magician invited by Lucius Werthmüller secretly. This magician was not impressed at all about the performance of Meadows and has written a clear statement about this. He explained how he would do these tricks shown by Meadows. Mügge couldn´t believe, that LW invited a magician to the show. They were the „natural enemies“ of mediums in his eyes and actually Mügge made LW not to publish the concern´s of this magician.