Materialized Spirit figures: what are they?

When a Spirit materializes at a seance: is it wholly constructed from ectoplasm?

Is it the Spirit's etheric/spirit body, coated with ectoplasm to make it visible?

Is it something else?


Jim

Left Behind wrote:When a Spirit materializes at a seance: is it wholly constructed from ectoplasm?

Is it the Spirit's etheric/spirit body, coated with ectoplasm to make it visible?

Is it something else?


Jim

I think,please correct me if I am wrong,is it not the spirit form coated with ectoplasm?
Joan

Yes they are Jim and rods would be solid or else they could not effect the physical lifts and raps they do whereas a manifestation of a face or body might be a thin membrane of ectoplasm moulded to make a shape and consequently 'hollow'. . In the sense that the word ectoplasm is a conflation of two Greek ones (Outside & Formed) it describes the manifested material that is 'formed outside' the medium's body
But to say all that opens a debate on what ectoplasm might actually consist of because there's no agreed chemical definition.
H2O is always water but what is ectoplasm 'made up' of?

Was it on this website that I ran an 'ectoplasm' thread/enquiry a short while back?

It was in respect of Kai Muegge's reported ectoplasm production....

Couldn't post the hyperlink here so sent it to Jim LB. Wax casts of spirit hands. Very impressive. Must be a relatively solid substance to maintain its shape in dense and quite heavy molten wax. They experimented with rubber gloves as well and pics of those results too. No comparison.

KatyKing wrote:Couldn't post the hyperlink here so sent it to Jim LB. Wax casts of spirit hands. Very impressive. Must be a relatively solid substance to maintain its shape in dense and quite heavy molten wax. They experimented with rubber gloves as well and pics of those results too. No comparison.

Got it, Peter, thanks! Running a bit late tonight, so will give it a look tomorrow.

One thing that always struck me is reading of several seances where a physician present actually took the pulse of the ectoplasmic spirit figure!

petal34 wrote:

Left Behind wrote:When a Spirit materializes at a seance: is it wholly constructed from ectoplasm?

Is it the Spirit's etheric/spirit body, coated with ectoplasm to make it visible?

Is it something else?


Jim

I think,please correct me if I am wrong,is it not the spirit form coated with ectoplasm?
Joan

That's what I thought, Joanie, and that ties in with the idea of being able to take the ectoplasmic figure's pulse. What, other than a living body of some sort, would emit a pulse?

Now you have me thinking,Jim.
Does a spirit form have a pulse?

Mac said it well earlier on, look around the forum, read the threads, look at the book links and the connection to the Harrisons. All you need is on here and elsewhere (even in the links from this site) you only need eyes to see.

Jim LB we cannot tell you what ectoplasm is, you asked it earlier and received replies. Nowadays I believe Spirit would move on from base chemistry to physics but Physical Mediumship is stuck in the mud.

Look round but first learn Spiritualism's history beyond Doyle's books. It is vital for Spiritualists to give up on tea and cake to learn philosophy and history.

Modern books and mediums will teach little it is time to go back to square one, a time when scientists, psychologists and philosophers came together in Spiritualism.

Tea and cake, with warm fluffy feelings, is just that, unsubstantial and not beneficial to the movement. Start your study of history and philosophy.

Absolutely. It is our world and if we wish to pursue elevation, the impetus must come from ourselves, with each step being considered, planned and executed on the foundation of earlier examination and acceptance.

I think the empirical scientists gave up on us a long time ago. The only research funding in any UK university that I know of is at Bristol and that's qualitative anthropolgy rather than quantitative empiricism. Tea and cakes for a while yet Jim . Shame we can't get Templeton or one of the big trusts to foot the bill but the minute you mention the S word the cash drawer slams shut.
Independent researchers can only do so much and unless conclusions are peer reviewed and replicable then however strong the indications, to all intents and purposes the ressearch will never be accepted by the academy. These days unless research brings in the money from day one then it does not happen in a UK university.
Chelsea bun anyone?

Jim LB could you post that link I sent to you on here please?

petal34 wrote:Now you have me thinking,Jim.
Does a spirit form have a pulse?

According to Maurice Barbanell, and Tom Harrison, the answer is YES. I'll have to get their exact quotes.

If KatyKing were a materialization medium, would his ectoplasm consist of tea and cakes?

KatyKing wrote:Jim LB could you post that link I sent to you on here please?

Here we are:

http://www.metapsychique.org/The-Kluski-Hands-Moulds.html

Admin wrote:Jim LB we cannot tell you what ectoplasm is, you asked it earlier and received replies. Nowadays I believe Spirit would move on from base chemistry to physics but Physical Mediumship is stuck in the mud.

Look round but first learn Spiritualism's history beyond Doyle's books. It is vital for Spiritualists to give up on tea and cake to learn philosophy and history.

Modern books and mediums will teach little it is time to go back to square one, a time when scientists, psychologists and philosophers came together in Spiritualism.

Tea and cake, with warm fluffy feelings, is just that, unsubstantial and not beneficial to the movement. Start your study of history and philosophy.

Sorry I wasn't clearer, Jim, but my question wasn't about the composition of ectoplasm.
It was about the composition of materialized Spirit figures. Are they wholly ectoplasm? Are they the Spirit bodies, covered in ectoplasm? Are they something else?

Left Behind wrote:

Admin wrote:Jim LB we cannot tell you what ectoplasm is, you asked it earlier and received replies. Nowadays I believe Spirit would move on from base chemistry to physics but Physical Mediumship is stuck in the mud.

Look round but first learn Spiritualism's history beyond Doyle's books. It is vital for Spiritualists to give up on tea and cake to learn philosophy and history.

Modern books and mediums will teach little it is time to go back to square one, a time when scientists, psychologists and philosophers came together in Spiritualism.

Tea and cake, with warm fluffy feelings, is just that, unsubstantial and not beneficial to the movement. Start your study of history and philosophy.

Sorry I wasn't clearer, Jim, but my question wasn't about the composition of ectoplasm.
It was about the composition of materialized Spirit figures. Are they wholly ectoplasm? Are they the Spirit bodies, covered in ectoplasm? Are they something else?

Was there ever a photo of spirit hands clothed in ectoplasm from long ago?
I seem to remember seeing a very old photo in one old book back from when I was a teenager.
Never forgotten it.

Left Behind wrote:

Admin wrote:Jim LB we cannot tell you what ectoplasm is, you asked it earlier and received replies. Nowadays I believe Spirit would move on from base chemistry to physics but Physical Mediumship is stuck in the mud.

Look round but first learn Spiritualism's history beyond Doyle's books. It is vital for Spiritualists to give up on tea and cake to learn philosophy and history.

Modern books and mediums will teach little it is time to go back to square one, a time when scientists, psychologists and philosophers came together in Spiritualism.

Tea and cake, with warm fluffy feelings, is just that, unsubstantial and not beneficial to the movement. Start your study of history and philosophy.

Sorry I wasn't clearer, Jim, but my question wasn't about the composition of ectoplasm.
It was about the composition of materialized Spirit figures. Are they wholly ectoplasm? Are they the Spirit bodies, covered in ectoplasm? Are they something else?

from my own experiences I would say that they are not spirit bodies covered in ectoplasm.
They are just ectoplasm which has been extruded from a medium by spirit chemists, had a few ingredients added to it to make it physically visible and tangible and then the controlling spirit has projected it's thoughts into it to make it resemble how it's physical body looked, felt and sounded.

But how could that animated projection register a pulse?

Left Behind wrote:But how could that animated projection register a pulse?

I suppose if a spirit is able to project it's thoughts into the ectoplasm to create a life like replica of it's former self that walks and talks, adding a working pulse to it would be a piece of cake...

Left Behind wrote:But how could that animated projection register a pulse?

I just realised that,Jim.
Remember in the book by Mathieson....thought can produce wonders.
Joan

Thanks for making those very good points Nick I agree with you.

Interesting. I thought that the ectoplasmic figures would be the actual spirit body, covered in ectoplasm, to make it visible in and to give it th ability to interact with those in our dimension. But who knows?

Left Behind wrote:Interesting. I thought that the ectoplasmic figures would be the actual spirit body, covered in ectoplasm, to make it visible in and to give it th ability to interact with those in our dimension. But who knows?

Have you ever read the accounts of materialisation taken from the NAS,it was either there or some other account where a description was given of the Ectoplasm exuding from the medium's body, this covering certain portions of the spirit body.